BathMTB: Re: Fwd: RE: Bannerdown fencing

kevin boyd kaboyd at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 19 04:03:23 EST 2013


Andy
Rightly or wrongly the OS map clearly designates this as a bridleway. A footpath comes in about 100 meters further along the road and appears to cut across the bridleway and head in the direction of Northend.
I would be keen to see your master map.
Kevin 

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:08:08 +0000
From: analogueandy at yahoo.co.uk
To: tom at greenparkbikestation.com; bathmtb at mtb-oz.com; tavz88 at yahoo.co.uk
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Subject: BathMTB: Re: Fwd: RE: Bannerdown fencing

Cheers Tom!  Well I never knew that was the footpath! I'm going to go and take some pictures and reply to them to explain that we've been using it for the last 20 years... The danger of course being that 'ignorance' is no defence! Thank again. I'll cc you in, Andy 
 
     On Tuesday, 17 December 2013, 15:03, "tom at greenparkbikestation.com" <tom at greenparkbikestation.com> wrote:
    
 
  
 
 
  
   Hi Andy
   
  
    
   
  
   Here is the reply from BANES about the fence posts for your info.
   
  
    
   
  
   Not sure where you / cycle clubs etc would want to go with this!
   
  
    
   
  
   I can't afford £2500!!
   
  
    
   
  
   cheers
   
  
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   From: Cheryl Hannan <Cheryl_Hannan at BATHNES.GOV.UK>
   To: "'tom at greenparkbikestation.com'" <tom at greenparkbikestation.com>
   Cc: "tmatabb at aol.com" <tmatabb at aol.com>
   Date: 16 December 2013 at 10:20
   Subject: RE: Bannerdown fencing
   
   
    
    Dear Tom 
      
    If you referring to the footpath BA2/30, the new fencing does not represent a safety issue for walkers so I will not be looking to get the fence posts moved. 
    It would take a legal order to upgrade this footpath  to a bridleway.  If you wanted to make an application to do this the cost would be in the region of £2,500 for the administration fees plus additional costs for advertising the order. 
      
    Regards 
      
    Cheryl  
      
      
      
      
      
     
      
      From: tom at greenparkbikestation.com [mailto:tom at greenparkbikestation.com]  Sent: 15 December 2013 14:32 To: Cheryl Hannan Cc: analogueandy at yahoo.co.uk; tmatabb at aol.com Subject: RE: Bannerdown fencing 
      
     
      
     
     Hi Cheryl 
     
     
       
     
     
     Maybe we've unknowingly been riding up and down a footpath?  Its the track at the SE edge that runs along the wall. 
     
     
       
     
     
     If that's the case, and I have been doing this for since 1988 can it be upgraded to a Bridleway. (I guess this could take some time) 
     
     
       
     
     
     So: 
     
     
       
     
     
     In any case, and as many bikes are using it to go up and down, as it is a safety issue can yourself and Mr Tabb look at moving back the fencing posts? 
     
     
       
     
     
     many thanks 
     
     
       
     
     
     Tom Jenkins 
     
     
      On 13 December 2013 at 14:38 Cheryl Hannan <Cheryl_Hannan at BATHNES.GOV.UK> wrote: 
     
     
      
       
         
       Dear Tomas and Andy 
         
       Your emails have been forwarded onto me from Graeme Stark regarding the issues with fencing and gates on Bannerdown Common. 
         
       Following a site visit yesterday 12/12/2013 with Michael Tabb the Secretary for Batheaston Freeholders Committee we walked the bridleway which runs across Bannerdown Common  and could not find any fencing running alongside the wall on the bridleway.  I attach a plan showing where the bridleway runs across the middle of the common.  Could you please let me know exactly where the issue with the fencing is located. 
         
       With regard to the gates being left open when there is no livestock grazing (Oct to April) can you please contact Michael Tabb who is dealing with this and is copied into this email. 
         
       Regards 
         
         
       Cheryl Hannan 
         
         
         
         
         
         
        
         
         From: Graeme Stark  Sent: 10 December 2013 10:29 To: Cheryl Hannan Subject: FW: Bannerdown fencing 
         
        
         
         
        
         
         From: tom at greenparkbikestation.com mailto:[mailto:tom at greenparkbikestation.com]  Sent: 10 December 2013 10:19 To: Graeme Stark Cc: mailto:bathmtb at mtb-oz.com; Andy Stewart Subject: Bannerdown fencing 
         
        
         
        
        Graeme, 
        
        
          
        
        
        Just to add my comments - for the official record. 
        
        
          
        
        
        We spoke yesterday about the fencing issue at Bannerdown. 
        
        
          
        
        
        I strongly urge you (or those responsible) to look at the position of the fencing running alongside the wall on the Bannerdown bridleway. 
        
        
          
        
        
        It is so close that, as Andy Stewart says, one slight mistake with your position riding down the Bridleway would very easily cause handlebars to clip the fence or post and result in a very nasty accident. 
        
        
          
        
        
        many thanks 
        
        
          
        
        
        Tomas Jenkins 
        
        
          
        
        
          
        
        
          
        
        
         On 09 December 2013 at 18:49 Andy Stewart <analogueandy at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
        
        
         
          
           
            
             
              
              Dear Graeme,  
              
              
                 
              
              
              I know this is probably not one for you but could you point this in the direction of whoever is dealing with the fencing of Bannerdown Common?  
              
              
                 
              
              
              I attended the LAF when this came up and voiced my concern as an off-road cyclist, I did also submit detailed comments to Natural England. I am pleased that my comments were taken on board with respect to access gates etc.  
              
              
                 
              
              
              However, the work is now substantially complete and I am not at all happy with the position of the fence and posts inside the stone wall, effectively on the southern edge of the woodland - it now seriously impedes upon the bridleway. The posts and fence have been positioned well inside the wall and have narrowed the bridleway considerably. They need to be moved closer to the wall.  
              
              
                 
              
              
              A group of us rode the track last week for the first time and I have also been contacted by others who have done so.  
              
              
                 
              
              
              It will not be long before someone clips one of the posts and is injured.  
              
              
                 
              
              
              Kind regards,  
              
              
                 
              
              
              Andy Stewart  
              
              
              Off Road Secretary  
              
              
              Bath Cycling Club  
              
              
                 
              
             
            
           
          
         
           
        
       
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